Poll: Ross vs. Rachel
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Ross Gellar
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Rachel Green
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2 66.67%
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Ross vs. Rachel
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#2
Rachel but Ross is good and they both treated eachother like shit so i don't wanna hear anything about Rachel being a better person.
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Rachel
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Ross is just a horrible character when he's with Rachel. Alone, he's fine
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#5
Ross is honestly really funny & one of the funnier characters. If you wanna get into who's the better friend though, Ross wins overall. He's more empathetic, logical, and blunt when he has to be. He can be selfish and annoying sometimes but every friend can and Ross usually gets the short end of the stick because he's so effectively annoying (but that's the point). We're supposed to roll our eyes and kind of hate him, but at the end of the day we like him cause it's FRIENDS. Ross has so many iconic moments that wouldn't really be the same without Ross, and it's unfair to label him a douche if we don't label every character a douche & a bitch. I have many points why Ross isn't that bad:


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1. Ross at the wedding saying Rachel's name is iconic and also not his fault entirely. People forget that Rachel flew to the wedding to legitimately stop the wedding & profess her love to Ross, and when he is devastated and still wants to marry Emily are we really supposed to take Rachel's side? She even is wondering if it means he still loves him. Why is Ross a douche for this if Rachel is given a pass for it? He canon-doesn't actually have feelings for Rachel anymore, he's just caught off guard when she SHOWS UP unexpected. He was partially to blame, but he didn't actually do anything immoral- just thoughtless and hurtful. Rachel was actively selfish. 

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2. When Phoebe says she never got to ride a bike because she was homeless as a young kid, Ross buys her a bike & actively tries to teach her to ride it for no other reason than to be a good friend. It's such a random yet kind thing that a Friend should want to do, and even though Phoebe is probably the meanest/bitchiest friend in general (and to Ross specifically) he does it. This is the girl that literally mugged him as a kid btw. But he does it to be nice.

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3. Even though he's insecure & sometimes homophobic because of it, he's actually extremely pro-gay for a character from the 90s. He's not comfortable with himself, but he still represents a straight male who is somewhat femme, very emotive and wears his heart on his sleeve, isn't macho at all, and also open minded. He even has all the reason to be prejudiced because he has so much backstory that should make him less accepting. His father was abusive and douchey to him regarding him preferring more girly toys as a kid, and generally being "girly". He also had his wife LITERALLY cheat on him with a woman she went on to marry. 

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-Yes he takes it out on a cute Freddy Prince Jr. But the episode provides development to explain why he is so insecure with a feminine guy so in tune with his emotions. Ross breaks down crying and opens up to FPJ and apologizes for being an asshole. Sure we don't see him staying the manny, but had FPJ not been a super talented, popular, and well booked actor at the time- we might have kept him. He was written off because he's a hugely popular & successful actor who cant afford to be a guest recurring star. This is also a good explanation for why he freaked out about the Barbie. It's repeating what his father once said to him. It adds layers to his own insecurities & depth to his character. It'd be like us hating Rachel for being snobby or bitchy or shallow sometimes. 

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-Remember the lesbian who married him and CHEATED ON HIM with a woman? She had a breakdown when her homophobic parents werent coming to the wedding. She even wanted to call it off. Even though it made him uncomfortable, he pushed her to go through with the wedding & even walked her down the isle. TO THE WOMAN she cheated on him with. If this were a straight couple, it'd be way too nice- this is even next level because it's harder to deal with. But he was accepting enough to do this. 

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4. Another instance of Ross being a way better friend to Phoebe than she is to him: The cat incident. Phoebe had recently found a stray cat (that was actually owned and lost by the owner) and believes that the stray cat is her mother's spirit. The friends collectively think it's bogus, but only Ross thinks it's proper to step in. Eventually Ross finds out that nobody has told her and he gets upset and tells her, and it upsets phoebe and she tells him to open his mind. He feels bad for hurting her feelings and APOLOGIZES to a CAT in order to make her feel better. So basically he thinks it's best for Phoebe to be told the cat isn't her dead mother (it is for the best), and when it hurts her too much and she gets mad at him he tries to apologize so she will feel better & in turn return the cat to its owner. 

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THE FINAL TRUTH

Ross isn't a worse boyfriend than Rachel is a girlfriend. They're about equally horrible. But you have to look at it logically, and if you really think about it... RACHEL is the worse friend in terms of accepting Ross' love life. 

-Emily - Rachel always despised Emily and didn't want Ross to be with her, despite the fact that she made him extremely happy. She flies to their wedding and is the reason he says the wrong name

-Julie - She hates her for no reason other than the fact that he's dating her instead of Rachel. She openly insults and degrades her for no reason, and even gives her a horrible haircut to try and break them up (and this is NOT the bald woman above).

-Charlie - Again, Rachel hates Charlie for no apparent reason. She really doesn't have a reason to and Charlie can really relate to Ross... so why does she hate her exactly? Why is that okay?

-Bonnie - Once again, Rachel hates one of Ross' girlfriends. She is the one that Rachel pushes to shave her head (Charlie likes her head shaved) and it makes Ross uncomfortable (they just started dating so it's not TOTALLY insane, he doesn't break up with her tho). Then Rachel says its hard to see Ross with Bonnie cause she still loves him and only broke up with him because she was mad at him for cheating. She proceeds to KISS ROSS while hes still with Bonnie (though relatively new relationship).

Needless to say both Ross & Rachel were horrible to eachother's GFs/BFs. Rachel did a lot more than what Ross did (was jealous, got mad that she lied and said she didn't give her number to anyone and then got a call from a random guy, etc.).  The whole joke is that they're both horrible to eachothers' significant others and it's silly to hate Ross for it tbh.

-Not to mention, Ross is way more accepting of Rachel's boyfriends. He may not always like it or appreciate it, but he does try to accept it. He even gives Rachel and Joey his blessing when they randomly decide to date because he wants Joey & Rachel to be happy. Imagine if Ross wanted to date one of her friends?- oh wait, he kind of did. Her sister flirted with him and wanted to date him and he refused because he knew it would upset Rachel. He always does things that may be less fun for him to protect Rachel's feelings (like the time he took Rachel to the hospital instead of going on a TV show, as well as intentionally threw a poker game so Rachel would win hundreds of dollars when she lost a job). 


OVERALL Ross is just as good a friend as Rachel is if not better, and though he's not perfect he deserves more respect in this regard because he's annoying but at least caring and loving and that should be embraced. So while I love both characters, I'm going to vote for Ross just cause Rachel tends to get more votes.
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I think we all know why Rachel hated Charlie
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(08-07-2018, 05:14 PM)Eggsy Wrote: I think we all know why Rachel hated Charlie

True lets add being racist to Rachel's list of sins.
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To be fair, Ross' girlfriends were all equally horrible. ESPECIALLY EMILY.
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